#69 Deep Oblivion- A Victorian Love Song.
The Doubtful Guest. By Edward Gorey. Eventually I’ll get around to explaining what this has to do with the song.
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Deep Oblivion is a track from my first solo album The Palace Guards (Feb 1st 2011). I originally started this solo project in a deep depression about the viability of making albums. By this I mean the rampant illegal downloading of songs had not just reduced CD and Album sales but had eliminated much of the infrastructure that made it possible someone like me to spend time recording music: The record label.
We artists bitch about our record labels all the time. but ultimately the record label is very useful. If you have a record label, you don’t worry about all kinds of things. Manufacturing CDs, getting them distributed, shipping them out, floating the 100k you need to record distribute and promote a CD, setting up press, setting up radio visits, bugging program directors to spin your record more and trying to get on late night TV. With a record label you spend most of your time on the creative aspects of your career. Writing songs, recording music, making videos, writing your blog or updating your cat’s twitter feed.
(btw the band Best Coast -who I’m about to interview- really does have a twitter feed for their cat “Snacks”. It’s often pretty funny. They also have an ongoing contest to caption pictures of their cat. You get free tickets if you win. Here is my entry. I hope i Win!)
“Death to America”
Without a record label you end up doing that stuff yourself. Even if you have the cash to hire independent specialists to manage this work for you it is a mental distraction managing and directing this process. Ultimately not having a label directly affects the amount of time you spend on creative endeavors.
Indeed in 1985 when Camper Van Beethoven first started pitch-a-tent records it was because no one else was interested in releasing Camper Van Beethoven records. It was not because we had some sort of DIY ideology that dictated we do this. We knew it was gonna be a lot of work to have our own label. And as predicted Jennifer and I spent long evenings stuffing the vinyl into album sleeves or carefully packaging and mailing albums to radio stations and fanzines.
But we were young and it was enjoyable in a certain way. We could buy a cheap bottle of Chilean wine at Shopper’s Corner and watch Star Trek re-runs and turn the work into a sort of party. If it was warm enough we would open the big Victorian bay windows at 1025 Broadway. You could sometimes hear the break of the surf or the Giant Dipper roller coaster on the boardwalk and imagine you were at some seaside resort in southern England. Brighton? Margate? (This is purposeful “Victorian seaside” foreshadowing for the second half of this blog)
In 2007 after more than 20 years of recording and touring with the help of a record label or two, I was dreading the fact that we didn’t have a record label anymore. Our various one-off deals had run out and it didn’t seem like anyone was much interested in giving us the kind of deal to which we’d grown accustomed. Sure we could have got deals with various labels that would have offered us 50/50 profit splits or small advances. But check this out. Any contractor reading this will immediately grasp how expensive it is to record an album:
Like it or not the minimum amount of time to mix and record and album of 12 songs is about 18 days. I know no professional highly regarded bands that will make albums at a quicker pace (unless you go the live in studio route**). So say there are 4 people in the band. Then you need and audio engineer and an engineers assistant. aside from the engineer’s assistant everyone is a highly skilled specialist. So you are looking at 5 people who should be compensated in the range of 250 – 500 a day. Then there are the studio costs. The cheapest home studios charge 300 a day. What if you had your own studio? well did you get the mixing console and microphones for free? The computer software or tape machine for free? NO. Minimal cost for setting up the crudest pro level studio is 25k. Protools HD hardware and computer is 20k by itself. What about lodging or travel? So trust me when i say an 18 day record ultimately costs a minimum of 36k. You may defer payments to your side musicians or engineer or even the studio. But when the CD comes out they will need to get their money.
Further I would bet nearly every modern (post 1980) album you own was recorded in more than 18 days. There are exceptions, but no one has made a career of recoding “live in studio”.
Then you must consider the costs of marketing and distributing a CD or even download only. Again you can’t even get noticed by the bloggers unless you hire a specialist an independent publicist or two. They use their personal contacts to bring (even a cracker ) an album to their attention. The popular and influential bloggers, like the magazine reviewers are overwhelmed with submissions. It wouldn’t even matter that we are a “brand name. “
Commercial even large non-comm radio? Forget it. You need to hire one of these independent radio promoters that essentially bribes stations with “promotional buys” or events.
Okay. ”But aren’t you gonna make a lot more money if you sell the CDs yourselves?” Yes. But most people don’t realize that an album that sales less than 25k its first week can chart as a top 5 album now. A few years ago that would have been impossible. Maybe 100k minimum to get you in the top 5. I just looked at the Sound Scan report for one of our much more successful americana peers. Their last album. touted as their “highest charting”, sold less than 50k copies in the US! I’m not even gonna embarrass them by mentioning their name. Suffice it to say that Cracker’s last album sold considerably less.
You see how this “start your own label” thing is ultimately a sketchy proposition? You put considerable capital at risk and it’s a distraction from the necessary creative “work” an artist must do. It is generally profitable for someone like us to put out our own record, but not guaranteed.
Not saying I wouldn’t put out our own albums on our own label again, if I had to… Just saying I don’t want to.
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So this solo album began as an experiment. I decided I would dispense with the most expensive parts of making a record.
First? The Band. Living in 4 separate cities it’s virtually impossible to get either band together without dropping a grand. But there was more to it. Going bandless suited my artistic purposes. I was recording the solo songs that ostensibly were solo songs cause they didn’t seem like they fit with either band. Even my two extremely talented and versatile ensembles. There is also a certain charm to those homemade one-or-two-people-playing-most-of-the-instruments recordings. “Lawrence of Euphoria” anyone? Or pretty much any of the Sparklehorse albums.
Second I wasn’t gonna bother releasing this as an album, CD, vinyl LP or download. There was no distribution or marketing in my plan.I wasn’t gonna do any promotion. I was gonna go right to the source. YouTube.
Let me explain. Robots have recently colonized our planet and made us slaves.
As a result we humans have been reduced to sitting in little cubicles emailing YouTube videos back and forth to each other.
Most people call this “their job”.
Well I know where to find everybody. Right? YouTube.
So why not record my songs in my basement? Occasionally take the files to Sound of Music and have Alan Weatherhead or Miguel Urbiztondo play some stuff on the songs, or let John Morand mix the thing? They could use a break from their YouTube-video-emailing jobs.
And why not make a video and put the song on YouTube? At last complete disintermediation. The internet has been promising this for a while. Let’s see if it works.
I put the songs Deep Oblivion and All Those Girls Meant Nothing to Me on YouTube. And some of my friends started emailing the links around. Even Adam Duritz!
But while it was a fun experiment it was ultimately unsuccessful.
I mean it was succesful in the sense that I got a lot of people to watch these songs on YouTube. And WEQX even picked up and spun the song All Those Girls Meant Nothing To Me. But it wasn’t really like releasing an album.
See everyone kept asking me “When is it coming out?”
I’d say “It’s Out. It’s on YouTube”
They’d look at me funny.
“You know the place with all the cute cat videos and rednecks water skiing on trash can lids?”
“Oh I know what YouTube is. I was just wondering when the record comes out”.
The ”forward thinking” music journalists and bloggers were even worse. They wouldn’t even look at it on YouTube. They were not ready to take seriously a completely “virtual” song or set of songs. Besides the video did not have any cute cats in it or fat people falling down.
I found this quite unfair since we musicians take their “virtual” magazines ( ie Magnet and Pitchfork) quite seriously.
(Due diligence: I don’t believe that www.pitchfork.com actually exists. I think it’s a some sort of unexplained atmospheric oddity like the Marfa Lights or it’s actually a parody site created by “The Onion” with the aid of semi-sentient machines).
(Due diligence two: As far as magnet magazine goes, I’m glad they stopped making a print issue because it was starting to freak me out. Each cover was exactly the same: Nick Cave! But they would just have him wear a different shirt. It was like groundhogs day. Nobody else was noticing and it was really really starting to FUCKING FREAK ME OUT. I swear I’m not making this up).
However eventually the effort I put into these songs paid off. I was at my part-time job at a hedge fund emailing YouTube videos of funny cats to my friends at the SEC when I was interrupted by an email from Jared Levine saying that Savoy/429 Records was interested in putting out my solo album. How rude! however I bit my tongue and accepted the offer.
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What does any of this have to do with Edward Gorey?
One of my favorite stories as a kid was the Doubtful Guest. As follows:
When they answered the bell on that wild winter night,
There was no one expected — and no one in sight
Then they saw something standing on top of an urn, Whose peculiar appearance gave them quite a turn.
All at once it leapt down and ran into the hall,
Where it chose to remain with its nose to the wall.
It was seemingly deaf to whatever they said,
So at last they stopped screaming, and went off to bed.
It joined them at breakfast and presently ate
All the syrup and toast and a part of a plate.
It wrenched off the horn from the new gramophone, And could not be persuaded to leave it alone.
It betrayed a great liking for peering up flues,
And for peeling the soles of its white canvas shoes.
At times it would tear out whole chapters from books, Or put roomfuls of pictures askew on their hooks.
Every sunday it brooded and lay on the floor, Inconveniently close to the drawing-room door.
Now and then it would vanish for hours from the scene,
But alas, be discovered inside a tureen.
It was subject to fits of bewildering wrath,
During which it would hide all the towels from the bath.
In the night through the house it would aimlessly creep,
In spite of the fact of its being asleep.
It would carry off objects of which it grew fond,
And protect them by dropping them into the pond.
It came seventeen years ago — and to this day
It has shown no intention of going away.
So my song Deep Oblivion starts the same way. sort of.
“winter’s night a creature strange and bright appeared upon the porch in a dark storm”.
This is the image I had in my head. Drawn in that strange pseudo Victorian style. The setting was one of those Victorian beachfront mansions in southern England. But the important thing is the creature.
It’s a simple metaphor for depression and madness. My own.
Before all depression was turned into a medical disease and chemical imbalances that required little blue pills and psychotherapy, people would get depressed for a while and then shake it off. Or just learn to live with it by drinking a lot and/or smoking weed. Eventually th doctor would say “Hank, you got to cut down on your drinking you are destroying your liver” and after a few tries Hank would quit. The second wife would run off with the owner of The Shamrock Lounge. But the upside was Hanks adult children would now stop by for a visit from time to time.
That is the way it has worked for generations of men of the great pan-celtic diaspora. Why fuck with the formula?
Then again there are people who really are chemically depressed. Really do have the bad brain chemistry. I don’t really think I’ve ever had it. I’ve just had the kind where life get’s you down you drink too much and end up in a fight with the dude dressed in the Sheriff Woody from Toy Story costume at 6 flags Magic Mountain. In front of your kids no less.
“Dad remember when you got in a fight with Sheriff Woody and got arrested?” the oldest reminds you.
“Funny daddy” your toddler chimes in.
Not that I’ve ever done this.
When I wrote this song I was in one of those kind of funks. I’d not done The Man Dance (def 1 please!) with any dream works characters yet, but I had recently woke up under the desk of the publisher of spin magazine and wasn’t sure how I’d got there.
I was a middle-aged. At best a minor rock star. With few other prospects. A small brood of kids. Way over my head in real estate and alimony payments And now virtually the entire CD side of the music business was collapsing in front of me. Ugh. Only touring? we’re supposed to make a fucking living only touring? I took long walks with the dog. I drank a lot.
I taught the dog to drink.
Eventually the dog died and alone I had a lot of time to reflect.
I saw myself doomed to playing chili cook-offs until my youngest son (finally after 8 years of college) graduated from Bard with a degree in Feminist Snowboarding.
I could see it perfectly in my minds eye. At the very moment he reached for his diploma I would be wrapping up the last few bars of the saxophone infused jazz-fusion version (think Sting) of Low at the Blue Lake Casino and I would fall down dead. Like some poor exhausted salmon in the upper reaches of the Mad river. ” I… Made …….it.”
And at last I’d get some rest on tour.
But our manager Velena wasn’t having any of it. As romantic as this notion sounded it didn’t appeal to her. I wonder why?
In the song I say:
We were crossing English channels
In Victorian times
In midget submarines
with parasols entwined
I was going under
In some deep oblivion
you bravely took my hand
and sweetly came along.
First of all if relentless badgering can be described as “sweet” then this song is an accurate description of what happened next.
Second. Velena’s house is full of antiques (that would make a southern drag queen proud) so it was the natural “Victorian” setting for the song and video. The fact that Velena was in an 1980′s all-girl goth band further bolstered her Victorian credentials.
Many of the original comments on this video came from women who really seemed to enjoy “The Kiss” in the video. Perhaps the real spontaneity of the kiss is what appealed to many. Velena hadn’t eaten anything all day and she was beginning to complain about how long this video was taking. Every man knows or should know that one of the best ways to end this kind of behavior is to kiss the broad and then take her to dinner. This is exactly what I did.
Now to those women out there that find this kind of talk sexist and employing outdated gender biased stereotypes I say to you:
well then stop responding so perfectly to our gender biased solutions and we will eventually stop.
There is also something mischievous about the kiss. At the time I was making this video, our relationship was not widely known. We were rightly or wrongly concerned about a number of things. Foremost was the notion that if Velena was seen as “just” my girlfriend people in the business wouldn’t take her as seriously. At the moment of the kiss I am daring her to come clean. This is what makes the video in my opinion.
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Deep Oblivion




January 23, 2011 at 5:57 pm
A beautiful song and a good video. Thank you David!
January 23, 2011 at 8:37 pm
The album has been pre-ordered for some time now. I can’t wait. Who designed the cover? Very cool.
The most any of my bands spent making an album is about 8K, 6-7 years ago—for sessions in a “real” studio with a “real” engineer who knew what he was doing. We were well aware that fell more within the “expensive hobby” category than the “make a living doing this” category…but we did it anyway. It even had a song called “Sweet Oblivion” on it.
Anyway, when we recover from that financial hit and have another 8 thousand dollars saved up we will definitely do it again. I’ll probably be 40 by then (I am 34 now) so it will be a handy excuse to have a mid-life crisis.
January 24, 2011 at 1:01 am
Your honesty is much appreciated. I’m happy to read your posts again, you were missed in the last month!
The video is simply beautiful. Wonderful job. Thank you!
January 24, 2011 at 10:53 am
Thanks for this candid (and funny) post, and thanks to Velena for bringing you back
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(Such a mischievous smile after the smooch)
As for the YouTube part – was your initial goal there simply exposure for the new songs, or did you expect to make money from it? Is there a way to make money from Youtube?
January 24, 2011 at 11:49 am
David, liked the song very much and the video. Don’t know if it is just a “gender based solution” because I react very well to a kiss and something to eat but you might be right I can skip the Kiss if necessary…good luck because now it is required kiss Velena for me….alex
January 24, 2011 at 1:18 pm
I have a question. Obviously it is not as simple as this or everyone would be doing it, but why do you think more people have not tried to sell an album in a manner more along the lines of Ghost I-IV.
I know that their are variables at play here (Large, fanatically loyal tech savvy fanbase, etc.) What pitfalls and or possibilties do you see in this approach? What did you learn while releasing this album that you would do differently?
Anyways, I applaud you for trying youtube. It seems everyone is stabbing around in the dark on the internet trying make music work in some fashion or another right now, and the answers aren’t easy.
January 24, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Dark Night of the Soul was an interesting stab of trying to make music – tie it to a book from David Lynch – though the legal rights took much too long to work out. Perhaps when you wrap the 300Songs series of writings into a book, some music to go along with it?
(Speaking of Sparklehorse, was kind of wondering about this David Charles character?)
January 24, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Hey David, I’m sure you know the Mike Mantler CD The Hapless Child – Goray poems including TDG set to music with Robert Wyatt singing.
Nice to see there’s a link to Deep Oblivion.
January 24, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Oh P.S. – (there is so much meat in this post, I forgot this earlier comment that came to mind) –
Sounds like you could use the “Colbert Bump”. I bet he would LOVE to talk teabagger politics with you.
January 24, 2011 at 4:09 pm
@David. Loving this song. Is your album released in the UK? If so, when. Again, it’s about distribution. Keeping fingers crossed. Give Velena my regards, she is a girl after my heart with Victorian memorabilia.
Unfortunately, Margate’s Dreamland is closed due to cutting costs and bankruptcy. The roller coaster is now left to rust. Hopefully, it can be restored to its full glory, it;s a matter of time. Will get back to you on this as development arises. Fingers crossed.
I believe YouTube is the only way to expose new music. Radio here is a hopeless case. Unless you’re the latest rapper, there’s no hope in hell to hear a new act. I’m forever trying to push the boundaries of radio.
January 24, 2011 at 6:02 pm
All the financial stuff was really interesting, but I’m a chick so I have to say I swooned a little bit over the story and the kiss. You’re lucky to have Valena. Best to you both.
January 24, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Looking forward to the new album. This is a great blog, I enjoy it very much.
January 24, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Speaking of youtube,can’t seem to find “All These Girls Meant Nothing To Me” Vid any more. What happened to it?
January 25, 2011 at 3:26 am
I certainly can relate to the whole “getting in a funk” type of depression. Walking through an oak forest in my neighborhood on a balmy June afternoon listening to “Something You Ain’t Got” got me out of one.
January 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm
So what are you doing at the Hedge Fund!! Us finance nerds want to know!
January 26, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Probably engaged in insider trading on youtube futures?
January 26, 2011 at 9:02 pm
hi speed computer aided market making/ multi dimensional arbitrage between highly correlated ETFs, the underlying securities, related securities and derivatives of those securities.
in retrospect the smartest trade would have been to write a simple program that did nothing. well except wait for a flash crash. virtually all the related ETF mechanisms have broken down in these flash crashes. both ETFs and the double inverse of those ETFs have shown again and again they both drop in value. When the mechanisms fail like this your automated program would wake up go long both the ETF and it’s double inverse (in hedged proportion). then once the market calmed down you would sell. In each of these cases in less than half an hour you could have easily made more than a year of high speed automated gyrations.
Someone has probably figured this out already as the flash crashes seem to be diminishing in intensity.
January 26, 2011 at 9:57 pm
I guess the trouble with trading those leveraged ETFs is that everyone is a liquidity taker – which is fine until you get some serious market moves and everyone wants to close out their position.
At the end of the day though, as soon as someone figures out a good scheme it usually doesn’t take long for others with deeper pockets and greater access to cheap funds to pile in and eat up all the profits.
January 29, 2011 at 11:53 am
You may already be aware of this, but Kristin Hersh and Throwing Muses have an interesting subscription-based business model through CASH Music. Fans subsidize her recording with quarterly donations ($30). It seems to be working pretty well for her, as she has a steady source of income that she can count on every quarter, even when she isn’t able to be out touring. In return, she makes a song available every month online for download. Subscribers also receive a “hard copy” of any CD she produces. Plenty of fans have embraced it and view it as a chance to give back for the music that they have enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) throughout the years. Fans don’t want her to be silenced just because the recording industry has turned their back on her. We have been subscribers for the past three years and are quite happy with the arrangement.
Not that we’re trying to suggest that you stop touring altogether…we need you to keep coming back to the Middle East in Cambridge with both Camper and Cracker. And didn’t Victor say you were going to play Tales from Topographic Oceans ;^)
February 4, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Now that I’ve listened to it about a dozen times, fantastic song.
The way the first lyric & music seemed eerily familiar and I finally figured out that it reminded me of the weakerthans song “Virtute Explains Her Departure”. Other than the very first lines, the songs really don’t sound anything alike, but it made me wonder, when you are composing music, are you ever going after a sound you heard from another artist or in another song?
July 30, 2011 at 5:13 am
Well Dave, regardless of what is happening in the music business, you are still a genius and we still love you and your music. I am a computer programmer and have been for 20 years. The same sort of thing is happening in our industry – it is sort of collapsing due to the internet and how it reduces what was once a lucrative business to a bottom feeding one. Eventually everytning will be redued to bytes.
But in 1999, shortly after working at Apple I bought Gentleman’s Blues and was blown away. Then a friend dragged me to see you live at Slm’s the following year and I was even more blown away.
So, as the internet evolves the world and life, we must all adapt around it. The older we get, the harder it becomes to change. But we must. I heard Mick Jagger say selling records is a dead biz because of the internet and there was only a 20-year period from 1975-1995 where money could be made on records. But that $500 million tour the Stones did worked wonders. So, if you have to make a living touring, you do it. I also heard Mellencamp say the internet destroyed the music biz.
As for depression take up jogging. It works wonders and keeps you in shape for touring.
You’re only as old as you let yourself become. As for Sting, he’s pushing 60 and is in awesome shape.
It can be done.
January 4, 2012 at 2:08 am
I really enjoy your writing and your excellent use of footnotes. Which means I’m quite curious where you were heading with the one above (**) that you didn’t come back to.